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afterpod admin (rick)

General: This is the home page of a channel. It is similar to someone's profile "wall" in a social network context. Posts created by the channel are displayed according to the observer's viewing permissions.
Create a Post: If you have permission to create posts on the channel page, then you will see the post editor at the top.

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Nested Channels?

afterpod admin (rick)

Tue, 25 Sep 2018 07:01:13 -0600

!Hubzilla Support Forum
Not that I want to complicate an already intricate system...

Is there any way to nest channels? I want a hierarchical structure but maybe it's just the navigation to channels? At the least, some way to associate channels with each other in a parent/child manner.

For example, a small podcast network might produce three podcasts. I want a channel for the network itself and then 3 underneath that level for each podcast.

(I'll probably want CATEGORIES to work the same way but that's NOT what I'm talking about here.)

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M. Dent

M. Dent

Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:04:08 -0600

I'm assuming there is a data flow you are trying to achieve, not just something that can be accomplished through creating a sidebar widget or footer, or something else. Are you trying to have it so that the network page has announcements from the podcasts themselves? For that you could use forums with !mentions and allow the podcast channels to post to the network page that way. Then you can achieve cross linking with sidebars/widgets. But it sounds like you have something more in mind.

As far as I know, there is no way to "nest" things in the way it sounds like you are asking, but there may be ways to achieve the ends you intend. Just need more info about the end goal rather than the desired implementation.

hEARt PhoniX

hEARt PhoniX

Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:28:15 -0600

afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 27 Sep 2018 06:25:14 -0600

My goal is to have a structure that functions or be presented as a hierarchical structure.  For podcasts, there are two perspectives I need to consider:

LISTENER - ability to connect to an individual podcast social network OR to its parent, an aggregated network with the posts by each podcast plus the network itself.

PODCASTERS - ability to post about the network as well as about individual podcasts underneath it (which would post about individual episodes).

@h.ear.t | tobias I don't know what you mean by channel sourcing.  I know one type of channel imports RSS feeds for source content...

@M. Dent "use forums with !mentions" -- I am not clear on all the channel types.  Reading the doc, most appear "just" variations on permissions (access, attaching images,...) but the general post/thread functionality appears the same except if the source is an RSS feed.  I do see that FORUMS have the ! search feature... is that the only difference?

M. Dent

M. Dent

Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:37:08 -0600

@afterpod admin (rick) - A channel is a channel is a channel, you're right from that vantage point. A Forum is a channel configured more or less as a "bulletin board" or discussion group. One of the settings many/most forums use is the !mention. The ! mention is used to forward a post to the contact list of the channel. So, when you use a !mention for the Hubzilla Support forum, a copy of your message is posted on the forum wall and is also sent to all the connections associated with the Support Forum (SIMILAR to what would happen if you went to the Support Forum and posted the message there).

My proposal is - each podcaster have a channel that represents their person - and each podcast itself has it's own Forum channel. Also, each network have it's own Forum channel.

All of the PODCAST forums are subscribed to the NETWORK forum and have the !mention ("Can forward to all my channel connections via ! mentions in posts") turned on. When a podcaster posts to the PODCAST forum, add an !mention for the NETWORK. Then, the NETWORK forum's page will have a full stream of all the posts by individual podcasts.

A fairly simple plugin/addon could automate some of this for your circumstance - automatically adding the NETWORK mention and even adding appropriate category tags or other tags for the specific podcast to make it possible to SEARCH and filter things on the NETWORK page by individual podcast.

The other option, as @h.ear.t | tobias was mentioning is to use the CHANNEL SOURCING which (at a high level) allows one channel to listen for posts on another channel and redistribute them in their own feed. In that way, you could have the NETWORK channel simply source all of the individual PODCAST channels directly. The podcaster themselves (from their own channel) could post to the PODCAST wall and it would be picked up/syndicated by the NETWORK (on the channel sources tool there's already a place to add categories). For that matter, you could have the PODCAST channel directly syndicate from the podcaster's personal channel and then have the NETWORK channel syndicate from the PODCAST channel.

giac hellvecio

giac hellvecio

Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:56:31 -0600

#just_remembering
that maximum we can make 2 forum-mentions in a post.
it is still so @Mario Vavti ?

afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 27 Sep 2018 08:59:14 -0600

I've always been one for OPTIONS in systems... and, in this case, it appears there are (at least) 3 WAYS to skin the cat.

Thanks for the excellent explanation.  I'll have to look at each more specifically to see which seems best for my case.

I'm really liking Hubzilla but STILL have not wrapped my mind around it.  Big.

I am also pretty convinced a lot of what I intend to do will be (1) temporarily hiding even more functionality AND (2) changing the navigation/flow/appearance to make it more intuitive (at some basic member level anyway).

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:01:50 -0600

It's not something you can get your head around in a weekend, but it will all start to make sense if you persevere. There are a few places where it's a bit clumsy and hackish but for the most part it's designed for flexibility and extensibility.

Delivery Report help

afterpod admin (rick)

Sun, 23 Sep 2018 07:28:02 -0600

!Hubzilla Support Forum
What is this report telling me?

I made a post on afterpod.com w/image on 20th.

On 22nd, edited the text in the message... but "update ignored". And it tried to update itself, too? Yet can see the edited version from TLSN account, so the edit worked.

I'd like to distinguish normal vs. unusual behavior.

Image/photo

messaging

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giac hellvecio

giac hellvecio

Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:01:53 -0600

all 3 reticu.li are off-line

so it is normal that they are in the queue. I would say that your delivery report is perfect :)

hosh

hosh

Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:09:59 -0600

I was wondering about this too. Thanks for asking, and thanks to Mike and Giac for the responses.

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:37:57 -0600

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along Coal Creek in Colorado

afterpod admin (rick)

Sat, 22 Sep 2018 15:28:44 -0600

a nice day...
(this photo reduced to about 1MB... shows inline)

Image/photo

personal

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:38:34 -0600

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Star Posts

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:44:30 -0600

!Hubzilla Support Forum
From the doc:
"Ability to mark special posts with a star indicator"

Yet it now appears a Star can ONLY be placed on the main post of a THREAD and not any single POST within that conversation (which is what I want to do).

Is this intended? Or is there a config option I've overlooked?

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giac hellvecio

giac hellvecio

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:48:41 -0600

No,
is right.
Just in the post, but not in the comments...

Philipp

Philipp

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:51:02 -0600

I think that's how it work. What you named "thread" is meant by "post" and what you named "post" is called comment. You can only star posts as far as I know.

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:03:47 -0600

I see the distinction... must get the nomenclature down. They seem all the same to me except for parentage.

Other than the fact that this is the way it is, does anyone know if there was a REASON for it... or maybe it can be modified to mark ANY "entry" (see what I did there? ANOTHER term!)... that is, star either a post or comment?

I am now going to star THIS post. Well, the initial one above which you will find this reference...
[couldn't resist]

Oliver

Oliver

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:07:01 -0600

But you can save a comment in a folder, if that helps.

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:29:29 -0600

Yes, I like Save To Folders yet use that more as a permanent, organized collection of bookmarks.

Star, to me, is a signal to do something later (like read, respond, tell a friend...) and I'll toggle it off when done. A ToDo list related to posts (and/or comments).

I've also seen where star is used to signal approval (emoticons, too), much like the Thumbs Up LIKE.

Philipp

Philipp

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:28:14 -0600

As far as I know stars are not seen by others, so not suitable to signal approval.

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:21:47 -0600

Indeed. And I also see a Ratings addon better for that purpose.

favicon switching

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 06:51:40 -0600

!Hubzilla Support Forum
I'm one of those people with TOO MANY TABS open in my browser all the time... so I rely on the icon a lot to find my way around.

Most of the time, MY favicon shows on my site... but when I click a Network Activity post entry (in the sidebar), it retrieves that thread, scrolls to the entry, and changes the icon to a default logo (hubzilla?) even though I am still on my site (have not clicked away to original post domain).

It does the same thing when click (self-hosted) documentation link.

Is there reasoning behind this behavior or is it just an oversight?

UI-public

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hEARt PhoniX

hEARt PhoniX

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:26:04 -0600

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:14:13 -0600

maybe something I can fix then...

I didn't know if there was some rationale behind it... as I've found a few other Hubzilla behaviors odd (to ME) but found there was at least some reason behind it (even if "just" legacy support).

It's taking some time to wrap my mind around this... plus I'm more concerned right now about coding related to integrating certain functions with my project. My intent is to fix whatever I can that is generic to the project and contribute it back... and implement as many unique site requirements into apps and themes to provide a different "view" of Hubzilla while continuing to leverage the base code.

AND the granular config options that seem to lead to much of the complexity/confusion of this project are exactly what I hope will address a few of my very particular needs without me doing any coding at all.

hEARt PhoniX

hEARt PhoniX

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:02:48 -0600

I have tried to find it, as there is a moment one needs to get some wet feet. As of now I am defeated and give up for today. I did find that obviously the icon is fetched in boot.php. There is a file view/oexchange_xrd.tpl that has got the default icon hard coded.

The difference is

<link rel="shortcut icon" href="https://hubzilla.rocks/photo/profile/s/2">
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="https://hubzilla.rocks/images/hz-32.png">

I suspect that this has got something to do with it. Zotlabs/Lib/Activity.php


        static function actor_store($url,$person_obj) {

                if(! is_array($person_obj))
                        return;

                $name = $person_obj['name'];
                if(! $name)
                        $name = $person_obj['preferredUsername'];
                if(! $name)
                        $name = t('Unknown');

                if($person_obj['icon']) {
                        if(is_array($person_obj['icon'])) {
                                if(array_key_exists('url',$person_obj['icon']))
                                        $icon = $person_obj['icon']['url'];
                                else
                                        $icon = $person_obj['icon'][0]['url'];
                        }
                        else
                                $icon = $person_obj['icon'];
                }

But for example the CMS does have the default icon and so far I have got no idea where I can find the source code for that in order to compare. I mean, obviously, either the icon is custom set or not. So we just need to find what to take and insert into all other apps.

For today I need to say: I give up, that's it. Need to go to bed.

Mario Vavti

Mario Vavti

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:27:43 -0600

Basically there are two types of apps. Your personal and system apps.
We show your profile image when you use a personal app and the hubzilla logo on system apps.

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:34:32 -0600

Okay, I'll have to look closer at that difference.

It SEEMS like viewing my full Network stream (my icon) should be the same as when I click a network Notification and am taken to the specific new post or comment within my stream (hubzilla logo).

hEARt PhoniX

hEARt PhoniX

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:35:09 -0600

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:41:10 -0600

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Jeopardy Podcast Category

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 21 Sep 2018 04:55:39 -0600 last edited: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 04:56:02 -0600

https://poddvr.com/?cc=18ddebaa-1630-07e6-f2cb-9b37769711b0

Image/photo

radial patterns

afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:17:06 -0600 last edited: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 15:29:59 -0600

large photo uploaded; about 6MB (above app and PHP.ini limits)

personal

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:41:32 -0600

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bookmarks

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:21:52 -0600

!Hubzilla Support Forum
I tried the bookmark addon but it appears to save ALL LINKS within a post to a (sub)menu/list.  Useful, but I'm really looking to bookmark a POST ITSELF... trying to organize details on certain aspects of Hubzilla where I've found some answers (and to help  update the doc at some point, I hope).

Is there a way to mark a post?

In the gear dropdown, I found Save To Folder but it doesn't seem to do anything... maybe it's for saving any attachments?

And a star, to me, is a signal to Read Later and then I toggle it off.  I want a more permanent collection of bookmarks and would prefer to use an native tool (dog food), if possible.

I just want to collect and organize posts and/or threads.  Is there!Hubzilla Support Forum

navigation

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Mario Vavti

Mario Vavti

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:27:03 -0600

I'm really looking to bookmark a POST ITSELF

Enable the /settings/features > Post/Comment Tools > Saved Folders feature

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:32:25 -0600

Thanks... but it's on. When I tried that... popup, entered new folder name, return... nothing seemed to happen.

Where are the folders... how do you access them?

Harald Eilertsen

Harald Eilertsen

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:02:06 -0600

If you have activated the ActivityFilters sidebar, they pop up there. At least mine does.

Mario Vavti

Mario Vavti

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:18:22 -0600

Right. They should appear in the activity filters widget > saved folders at /network

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:23:34 -0600

Aha! Found them. Thanks!

Some of these features might be useful in a different context, too.

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:37:37 -0600

Was looking to see where these are stored. Found the folders in database table TEM; haven't seen how items are linked yet.

BTW, while browsing db tables, PHOTO is horribly slow to read. Any idea why?

M. Dent

M. Dent

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:03:53 -0600

An EXPLAIN of your query may give you some hints.

hEARt PhoniX

hEARt PhoniX

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:07:31 -0600

giac hellvecio

giac hellvecio

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:15:36 -0600

sometimes i use 'star' or 'Save to Folder'
is useful ;)

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:24:55 -0600

I like the Save To Folders...

@M. Dent OH! I had assumed images themselves were being stored in one of the writable dirs. Blob in db. With revisions. huh.

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:13:11 -0600

Long ago I started work on providing the ability to bookmark individual links from the post, but it would only work with the bookmarker addon and wouldn't federate. This isn't rocket science - count the links and save (for example) the third one. I've decided to spend my time working on more important endeavours so I left this to community members if anybody decides it's something they want.

But for bookmarking posts I agree about Save to Folder. I've got folders named 'later' (as in read later), 'bugs' (self explanatory) and 'ref' (save for reference), amongst others.

The folder itself is just a taxonomy so the posts themselves don't have to physically move.

Thumbnails are currently stored in the photos DB. Not the original full size images.

swimming in the ocean🏊

swimming in the ocean🏊

Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:47:35 -0600

Manually write links to save bookmarks

https://hub.disroot.org/photo/3aa1c9a4190f7b938fd31b43e720ac0cff4d608ef4be167b5c0da90ea192023a-0.png

swimming in the ocean🏊

swimming in the ocean🏊

Thu, 20 Sep 2018 02:08:24 -0600

It is currently known that cloned accounts are out of sync:

bookmark

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Thu, 20 Sep 2018 03:10:35 -0600

Yes, it appears bookmarks are having some sync issues. I'll have it fixed tomorrow unless somebody beats me to it.

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Thu, 20 Sep 2018 17:17:59 -0600

Checked in.

Antechinus

Antechinus

Thu, 20 Sep 2018 17:18:53 -0600

Just to confirm: Once created, saved folders are not currently editable by end-users?

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Thu, 20 Sep 2018 17:41:24 -0600

Just to confirm: Once created, saved folders are not currently editable by end-users?

Depends on what you're asking for. A folder is basically a tag which only you can see. You can't change an existing folder name easily, but open a saved folder and you can delete the referenced folder name (tag) from any of the posts/comments in that (virtual) container. If there are no more posts saved to that folder it vanishes.

Antechinus

Antechinus

Thu, 20 Sep 2018 17:48:12 -0600

Yes. I meant there's no UI to change a "folder'" name or delete it. But that'll do nicely. Perfect. Thanks.

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:42:23 -0600

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Moving... or cloning?

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 17 Sep 2018 05:59:13 -0600

!Hubzilla Support Forum
Nomadic identity is one of the key capabilities of Hubzilla and I'll have to learn more about exactly how that works.

Just FYI, in the Mastodon world, there is a MOVE function which then displays profiles like this (but I don't think it actually does anything else):

Image/photo

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giac hellvecio

giac hellvecio

Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:54:23 -0600

creating a clone is one of the first things you should do in HZ, or at least export your main json file, so you can import in another hub in case of fire or war ;)

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Mon, 17 Sep 2018 14:31:01 -0600

The difference is whether or not you perform a move or a copy. Nomadic identity creates a copy. You can use any cloned identity on any server and they are kept in sync (mirrored) in case of catastrophe. I've used clones when my main site went down for a few hours. You don't have to just wait for it to come back. You can go to a clone and not even be phased by the server outage. Your stream is there, your friends are there.

When you move, it's more or less permanent. Glad to see that other providers are finally providing mobility options. A move isn't quite as good as a copy in my view, but it's much better than nothing.

The real advantage of cloning isn't apparent until you start messing around with access control. If you make a photo available to Nancy and not Eve, and any of you end up at different sites for any reason, the access control on your old content doesn't need updating. The photo is still available to Nancy and not to Eve - no matter where they are or where you are. If you were to move, all of your friends would have to change the access rights on all their published content.

afterpod admin (rick)

Tue, 18 Sep 2018 05:56:26 -0600 last edited: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 06:16:51 -0600

Even if it involves more functionality, MOVING seems more of a "me, too"... matching a feature that other systems probably have.  Besides, it's just right to enable people to export or transition their data (not hold it hostage to a platform).  Again, nothing to set Hubzilla apart from others.

I'm trying to fully picture cloning, though...

Say @rick@afterpod.com exists, call it my PRIMARY... so I clone it to @rick@beforepod.com, the SECONDARY, and from that point on, they sync with each other, no matter which site I log into and post comments, upload files, etc.

If my PRIMARY site goes down...
FOR ME:
--I recognize site inaccessible so log into SECONDARY site and continue work. done.
--logging into other sites (like support forum) is now under the secondary... and so would any posts/replies I make?

FOR CONTACTS:
--visiting my primary channel will not be possible, site down
--a message sent to my PRIMARY will arrive at the SECONDARY, so I receive it in a timely manner, good.
--will my reply under the secondary domain name be recognized?

I understand the value of unattended backup procedures (periodic/nightly) or, more correctly, continual synchronization (not just duplicating database entries but also uploaded files).  This protects my data in the best way.  This is an excellent feature.

I also understand the value of alternate access points, backing up my ability to connect to the same set of cloud tools AND my current data via multiple domain names.  This introduces multiple "identities" (probably not the right term) which can add a certain amount of confusion to the mix.

HAPPILY, my questions are nits about events that should be rare.  Under most circumstances, I use my primary and all is good in the world.  On rare occasion, I must switch to a backup approach that gets the job done in a pinch.  Backup et all are about INSURANCE.  Minimizing downtime/damage. Addressing the "what if"?

Cloning* is Hubzilla's answer.

*Depending on how the sync is done, this may be a misnomer.  Cloning implies a one-time event; synchronizing on a continual basis is a separate, additional, even more valuable thing.

(edit) OH, is /import how a clone is made?  I searched doc and don't find actual guide to cloning.  Want to do the process...

Haakon Meland Eriksen (Parlementum)

Haakon Meland Eriksen (Parlementum)

Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:04:02 -0600

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:42:54 -0600

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afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:43:19 -0600

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Natural patterns

afterpod admin (rick)

Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:36:09 -0600

Image/photo

personal

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:43:30 -0600

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Authentication Advice Request

afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:44:19 -0600

!Hubzilla Support Forum
I'm thinking Hubzilla can handle authentication chores for my web app but am wondering how it applies if I have a GROUP or network of associated sites where I'd like to have Single SIgn On... members sign up at a central site/domain which applies across multiple domain names (Hubzilla sites). Is this possible or what would be the best "jumping off" point in the code to customize this? I can link databases as needed.

I do not *think* I'm referring to how I can visit another Hubzilla website and be logged in (to some extent; maybe)... this would be for registered members of the group, not random site visitors or other Hubzilla site members (what is the proper term?).

identity

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afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:22:26 -0600

Speaking of cURL, FYI...
https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2018/09/09/libcurl-gets-a-url-api/

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:20:05 -0600

You can also use LDAP as the central user database and use the ldapauth plugin to put hubzilla login into that organisation. This means you can use a Windows Active Directory domain as an organisational login provider as it is an ldap provider. There's an option in the ldapauth plugin to create an account (and more recently also add a social channel) using the directory provider's existing information on first login.

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:44:20 -0600

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afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:05:52 -0600

afterpod admin (rick) updated his cover photo

Image/photo

afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:00:42 -0600

afterpod admin (rick) updated his profile photo

Image/photo

Embedding HTML and scripts

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:49:11 -0600

!Hubzilla Support Forum
I'm testing how to embed code snippets into a post (or card, or web page, or wiki...). Found a couple of SECURITY options to ALLOW embedded HTML as well as boxes for enabled/disabled domain names... which I have set. Are there any others?

I tried a snippet and it gets treated as text:

https://afterpod.com/channel/admin/&mid=faef5c2d5cf8925766d5c9f9dee663424e63c05e52eb1afcc154990f472f14a2@afterpod.com

Undoubtedly missing something... but what?

addon app

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M. Dent

M. Dent

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 10:51:17 -0600

As far as I am aware, all of the places where HTML is allowed to be entered, it is filtered by HTMLPurifier. I've been looking a bit at this myself recently and haven't figured out all the contours of the default configuration. I did check and Script tags are turned off by default with some fairly stringent pre-configuration requirements if you want them on.

If you had a defined set of scripts to be included, a simple plugin could be written to modify HTMLPurifier to allow them (it would likely require a hook to be added in include/text.php in the purify_html function - but that's easy to add - I've probably annoyed the other devs by adding a bunch of hooks lately... what's a couple more! LOL). Likewise, if you wanted to turn off filtering altogether (I would NOT recommend this), it would also be possible with a fairly simple addon (plugin).

Not all input boxes allow HTML (I don't have the lists memorized, sorry).

The "unfiltered html domain list" I think (someone will certainly correct me if I'm wrong) is a list of channel sources (eg., RSS Feed hosts, not sure what others would qualify) that would not have items filtered. As far as I know, it doesn't change the behavior of filtering on any textboxes.

Based on the question, it sounds like you have an interesting use-case that may overlap with some of my interests to some extent!

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:00:42 -0600

Still a work in progress on my side but here is more about that particular embed:
http://webshownotes.com

I like the idea of a plugin. The source site would always be the same and is under my control, so hopefully could be whitelisted in some manner.

poVoq

poVoq

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:05:03 -0600

Seems similar to this:
https://podlove.org/podlove-web-player/

M. Dent

M. Dent

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:18:21 -0600

Oh, must say, I AM LIKING THIS! With the privacy settings of Hubzilla and the new shopping cart addon - you could even do subscription based access.

I'd say an addon/plugin is your best bet. They are super easy to write. I have a pending pull request to add a hook for the /articles feature that would easily allow you to inject the desired code into the final output.

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:18:44 -0600

To an extent, yes. They've been around a long time and there are others. The player and some other capabilities have been necessary to reach a longer project goal of integrating all web media (audio, video, image, text, data vis).

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:24:54 -0600

I'll have to look into the cart details (saw it in options but that's all)...

Addon/plugin (what's diff?) sounds good but not sure what you're saying. You can see the embed code... some params will change. I'd want users to be able to insert the snippet.

In addition, I intend to have an option to trigger an auto post when someone creates a bookmark (deep audio link) in a podcast using the client player, for example.

M. Dent

M. Dent

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:25:49 -0600

Interesting project! I wrote a similar tool for use in private analysis of video/audio resources as a plugin for WordPress a couple of years ago. Not exactly the same (yours is about 10000% better!), but the same basic premise. IMHO, Hubzilla would be the perfect platform for such a tool/service.

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:37:14 -0600

Conceptually, these ideas have been around for quite a while, especially with podcasts, but you simply could not do some things before. Tech has caught up and is being deployed widely... now it's amazing what's possible.

I'd enjoy hearing more about your other project but this is probably not the place. Feel free to email rick@gluedtothescreen.com anytime you care to talk (but know that response may or may not be timely... you know how it goes). The offer is good for anybody else here, too.

M. Dent

M. Dent

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:38:57 -0600

There is no difference between addon/plugin - I'm from the WordPress world and so I use both terms interchangeably - the codebase does as well. I haven't yet completely transitioned to using addon exclusively.

Taking the Articles interface as a starting point, to allow users to insert the snippet directly, you'd probably need a hook in purify_html that allows you to modify the HTMLPurify configuration before the purifier actually runs. There may also be a need to slightly modify the parameters fed into the jot editor creation template to use HTML instead of BBCODE - which should be possible through the articles_display hook that's pending in the dev branch currently.

Honestly, if the addon was more than 40 lines of fairly simple code, I'd be surprised.

With those,

M. Dent

M. Dent

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:39:06 -0600

@Rick aka GluedToTheScreen - FYI, I added to my pending PR a hook called htmlpurify_config that should allow plugins to take the HTMLPurifier_config object. The full PR for the pending hooks can be found here: https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/merge_requests/1270

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:52:14 -0600

thank you, @M. Dent for paving the way! I will look at that as well as the config params to enable player snippet insertion. As usual, juggling many things on this end... like us all.

Mario Vavti

Mario Vavti

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:57:23 -0600

There is an "allow code" setting which an admin can grant to selected channels he absolutely trusts. When this is enabled htmlpurifier is omited completely for this channels.

The ability to weaken htmlpurifier rules in addons gives me potential headache. Especially if it enables anybody to include external javascript.

M. Dent

M. Dent

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:42:21 -0600

I understand the concern, but in the end, I think that plugin authors are less likely to roll their own input filters if they have access to what's there already.

Ultimately, the ability is already there. All someone has to do is fork and edit include/text.php. Or, create an addon called "ArticlesPLUS", and end up bypassing the purify_html() call entirely. From my experience in the Wordpress world, that's a much more likely scenario if some mechanism isn't offered to work within the existing security mechanisms and just do needed tweaks. No, not everyone will be responsible with the ability - but there's no reason we would have to accept every offering into the official repository either. In fact, I would say that perhaps a rule that use of certain hooks (like mucking with the HTMLPurifier config) means that your addon will not be included in the official repository would be a good move.

Anyway - in this particular use case.... From what I can tell from the HTMLPurifier "SafeScripts" config is an explicit whitelist - not a blanket permission to inject code. It still prohibits inline JS - and sourced scripts must be specifically listed.

Anyway, my argument is that you're not going to prohibit an enterprising person from hacking their own hub. In fact, I say we should be ENCOURAGING that sort of thing. Of course, we need not enable poor choices by offering help or support for problems that arise if they choose to do so - especially if they do so irresponsibly. But if we encourage them in a way that promotes the use of the mechanisms already in place and only making minimum necessary tweaks, things are less likely to be messed up by those who are going to just throw caution to the wind and entirely bypass the existing mechanisms in order to do what they want anyway.

My 2 cents.

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:54:19 -0600

I'd probably look at a different implementation - instead of bypassing the javascript XSS filters, provide a bbcode extension to allow this particular embedded thing - just like we do for maps. Then the code is verifiable and contained and can't be subverted yet everybody can use it.

bbcode

M. Dent

M. Dent

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:56:01 -0600

I guess that would be a reasonable question - is this intended to be for a "special purpose hub" (i.e., something that afterpod will put on their own servers), or is this intended to be distributed and used by other hubs? If the former, then, as far as I can see any issues introduced would be limited to the users of the hub hosting the content. If the latter, then something that could properly be incorporated into the project and not upset the internal security of the supported version would be "the right thing to do."

At the same time, if we want to push the "Hubzilla as a Web OS" proposition (which I think is exactly the correct direction!), I'm not sure we want to pre-emptively attempt to make it harder to interact with certain core functions. I think we should rather encourage responsible interaction and where possible include the hooks to do so. Not permitting addon-devs to tap into what's there, as I said, will in my opinion encourage greater irresponsibility as addon devs will be more concerned with pushing a product out the door than they will with maintaining security (the wild west of WP plugins shows it). They'll take large segments of current code, rework it, and make it work for them in their add-on and, in general, likely will not revisit it even if security concerns are found in the original underlying code. Reduce the work that addon-devs do and permit them to tap into logical places directly, and you reduce the chance of future problems.

I admit, I'm a bit invested in this since one of my plans for my own hub was to have a plugin that allowed a true HTML WYSIWYG editor for articles and a drag/drop editor for web pages. The purify hook was already in my own mind for my own purposes in case it was needed for these implementations (In fact, I had found HTMLPurify and planned on using it before I even realized it was already one of the libraries in use by the project). Granted, I personally intended to use the hook as sparingly as possible and find a way to seek other alternatives - and I actually never intended to permit tags at all. But this was already on my whiteboard for my own implementation.

Of course, I'd much rather have the basic hooks into the Hubzilla "Web OS" provided as part of the standard distribution - that way at least the possibility of their use is taken into consideration if any changes are made AND proper cautions can be provided about use and awareness of potential abuse - and it provides a standardized interface with the "OS" for future addon devs - meaning at least SOME control by the project overall.. (but, now I think I'm repeating myself... so I guess I'll stop.)

(Not trying to be argumentative or disagreeable in the least... so please don't take it that way, just trying to lay out the background and thinking I brought into the submission and idea behind it.)

afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 07:23:44 -0600

Seems Feedbin is thinking about some of the same issues regarding embedding...
https://feedbin.com/blog/2018/09/11/private-by-default/

I personally don't care what approach so long as it works... your collective project dev experience and knowledge of the codebase should guide this.

My requirement is for my site (actually, group of sites) but if it can be implemented in such a manner as to benefit Hubzilla, all the better.

M. Dent

M. Dent

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:16:06 -0600

Just to make sure I understand your overall structure - am I understanding correctly that people will go to pages on your site(s) to view the content and that it is not your intention to distribute the content in messages? I don't think distributing is going to be an option - at least I wouldn't go there myself. But if it's local and on your site only (or on sites which host channel clones) and not going to be distributed, I think a solution is workable.

afterpod admin (rick)

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:31:18 -0600

My concept is hard to describe. In my world, I'm thinking more of Hubzilla handling authentication as well as the discussion component (messaging). It seems well suited for that and afterpod.com MAY become one hub in a group of hubs... all revolving around web media (podcasts, youtubes, etc).

I plan to REFERENCE highlights in a podcast... think bookmark... from within a web media PLAYER and facilitate a conversation to be started related to that specific highlight (guest segment, joke, whatever). So, my web app will provide a representation of the conversation but, under the covers, that part will be Hubzilla.

If anything, I *think* I'm more likely to embed Hubzilla content within my app than external content (other than images) into Hubzilla.

For now and for messages, maybe the "old fashioned way" may be best?

link:
https://poddvr.com/?n=9a1c27e3-039f-5201-0938-d5dc94106fb9

maybe image:

Image/photo

I find the discussion here far more detailed on rights associated with messages... which I do appreciate. If there's a better way to do this, I'm open to suggestions.

M. Dent

M. Dent

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:39:45 -0600

Ok, I think I get it. That's helpful. Thanks!

M. Dent

M. Dent

Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:53:40 -0600

BTW - my son learned trombone some and my daughter just started band (trombone)... and that video is AWESOME!

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:32:13 -0600

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afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:38:31 -0600 last edited: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:41:46 -0600

I'm going to look into the openstreetmap addon further as @Mike Macgirvin suggests. It feels like a more comfortable fit for Hubzilla. As an example, it seems good as there are both PHP and JS files involved as well as retrieving associated media. I assume there will be a mod elsewhere to add the new bbcode.

Aside from the doc, is there any high-level description of the system architecture? How things GENERALLY fit and flow? I'm still getting lost...

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:44:34 -0600

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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:44:45 -0600

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Test embed

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:34:43 -0600

<div id="vizdex-timelist-plugin">
  <script
    id="vizdex-embed"
    data-a="c9c202a815fa38fd939ba0b1d107210b"
    data-p="TLtt"
    data-l="hash"
    data-s="branded"
    data-t="723bff61-8821-b210-144f-b93a60a8d70b"
    src="https://api.tlsn.com/scripts/vxPlaylistAPI.js"
  ></script>
</div>

Q: directory servers

afterpod admin (rick)

Sun, 09 Sep 2018 11:41:41 -0600

I've looked in the doc but still would like to find a good writeup about the functions of DIRECTORY SERVERS in the Hubzilla world, how to choose one, and maybe how to create one. I get the general sense, looking for a few more details.

Also, does this selection represent any kind of bottleneck to ME if that Directory Server goes down? Does it fail over?

(my system is working; have not changed the selection... should I?)

Image/photo

federation

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:45:07 -0600

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Q: connection permissions

afterpod admin (rick)

Fri, 07 Sep 2018 10:23:54 -0600

I just set up a new server, seems to be working but still testing it out... yet ALREADY spam has shown up! Which led to my question.

Here is what I see AND what it says in the doc. How do these match up?

!Hubzilla Support Forum

Image/photo

M. Dent

M. Dent

Fri, 07 Sep 2018 10:51:56 -0600

If you click the EDIT button, you will see a "Connection Tools" pull down. The list in the documentation applies to the options seen in the "Connection Tools" pulldown. The UI has undergone some changes recently and it looks like this is one area where some tweaks are needed in the documentation. It would be a great way for someone who doesn't code to contribute to the project!

Mike Macgirvin

Mike Macgirvin

Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:42:56 -0600

The documentation is talking about the actions you can perform on established "connections". This person isn't really a connection yet. They're in limbo waiting for you to approve them. Here your choices are a lot simpler. You can either Approve, Ignore, or Delete. Ignore is basically "Not today but I'll keep the request pending".

You probably want "Delete".

RESOLVED: Mastodon Connection Troubleshooting

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 05 Sep 2018 17:42:33 -0600 last edited: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:45:03 -0600

I'm setting up new server, enabled social addons, connected to support forum... can post and getting updates OK.

Tried to connect from Hz side to an account on Mastodon.  It shows that account with a red circle w/dash... and it does not receive updates.

Tried to connect from M side, it appears to hang "Awaiting Approval".

UPDATE: Lacking detailed doc, I turned on all of the social networking protocol selections in Addons.  After some tracing, turned OFF PubCrawl ("An unapologetically non-compliant ActivityPub Protocol implementation").  Not sure what it is about but now I can connect both ways with Mastodon.

I will also note that it took a while before the new Hubzilla install would be recognized on the network from the Mastodon side... it was VERY fast on the Hubzilla side.  I don't know what mechanisms determine such propagation in this environment.

My Podcasting Articles

afterpod admin (rick)

Wed, 29 Aug 2018 09:39:15 -0600 last edited: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:12:53 -0600

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-podcast-movement-2018-748b4a8bfde1
Podcast Movement #PM18

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-simple-podcast-math-fc8de0928fb
Simple Podcast Math

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-host-domains-international-2f36b98a4862
Host Domains International

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-dormant-vs-dead-bc5b3919ad61
Dormant vs Dead

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-different-statistics-ef57a2610bb3
Different Statistics

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-walking-around-b1382391d398
Walking Around

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-skepticism-in-podcasting-3deba666431c
Skepticism in Podcasting

http://discoverpods.com/podcasting-democratic-medium/
Podcasting is THE Democratic Medium

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-yapt-4b3f3a9e50f3
YAPT

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-podcasting-magazines-257bcf59d7a7
Podcasting::Magazines

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-not-hosts-podcast-hosting-bd21a8d3f359
Not Hosts, Podcast Hosting

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-are-podcasters-different-ca1937152c22
Are Podcasters Different?

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-the-name-aa17ea990bc7
The Name

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-host-read-ads-c372d2cc7489
Host-read Ads

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-diverse-participation-54a5d54b42ef
Diverse Participation

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-hate-listening-473259eb0de6
Hate Listening

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-sleep-listening-7cb53bdd6eb
Sleep Listening

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-new-adoption-1b515ce40b40
New podcast adoption

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-listening-behaviors-f79bc78c4c3f
Podcast listeners share certain basic behaviors; we naturally follow many similar patterns.

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/afterpod-66269786d919
A meandering look at the “death” of RSS and MP3, the podcasting industry, and ways both technology and human behavior affect industry growth rates.

https://medium.com/@GluedToTheScreen/podcasting-diversity-de58f56bfda
Podcasting Diversity

https://twitter.com/search&vertical=default&q=%23pm17%20from%3Aglued2thescreen&src=typd&lang=en
#PM17 tweets

https://medium.com/hashtagpodcasters/personal-take-podcast-movement-2017-8ad44b673189
Personal Take: Podcast Movement 2017 - Anaheim, CA

New Hubzilla site up

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:57:38 -0600 last edited: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 18:07:21 -0600

Our new site is now online though there is much configuration yet to do. Hopefully, it will become the categorical commentary component for the VIZdex Annotated Timeline Presentation Platform.

The intent is to establish a viable, standalone, aggregated social environment with the ability to interact with fediverse platforms, such as Mastodon, Diaspora, Pleroma, postActiv, Friendica, GNU Social, Nextcloud, Pump.io, and more through the ActivityPub, OStatus, and other protocols.

afterpod admin (rick)

Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:58:13 -0600

nice!